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St. George Stock (modern guide) · 1850–1922

A Guide to Stoicism 3 ¶11–12 — St. George Stock (modern guide)

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Original English text (1908)

St. George Stock (modern guide), A Guide to Stoicism 3 ¶11–12

The Stoics resembled Locke again in endeavoring to give such a definition of knowledge as should cover at once the reports of the senses and the relation between ideas. Knowledge was defined by them as a sure comprehension or a habit in the acceptance of phantasies which was not liable to be changed by reason. On a first hearing these definitions might seem limited to sense knowledge but if we bethink ourselves of the wider meanings of comprehension and of phantasy, we see that the definitions apply as they were meant to apply to the mind's grasp upon the force of a demonstration no less than upon the existence of a physical object. Zeno, with that touch of oriental symbolism which characterized him, used to illustrate to his disciples the steps to knowledge by means of gestures. Displaying his right hand with the fingers outstretched he would say, "That is a phantasy," then contracting the fingers a little, "That is assent," then having closed the fist, "That is comprehension," then clasping the fist closely with the left hand, he would add, "That is knowledge."
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St. George Stock, Stoicism (1908), text of the Haldeman-Julius reprint “A Guide to Stoicism”. Text: Project Gutenberg #7514. Sources and licences

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Knowledge was defined as a secure grasp that argument cannot shake, covering both what the senses report and what reasoning shows. Zeno taught the steps with his hand: open fingers for an impression, a loosely curled hand for assent, a fist for comprehension, and a fist held in the other hand for knowledge.

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“phantasy”
— an impression or appearance in the mind
“assent”
— agreeing to an impression as true
“comprehension”
— a firm grasp of something real

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  • Judgements and impressions
  • Learning and progress

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