Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE
Discourses 1.28 ¶3 — Epictetus
From “That We Ought Not to Be Angry with Men; and What Are the Small and the Great Things Among Men”
Translation by George Long (1877)
Epictetus, Discourses 1.28 ¶3
So then all these great and dreadful deeds have this origin, in the appearance (opinion)? Yes, this origin and no other. The Iliad is nothing else than appearance and the use of appearances. It appeared to Alexander to carry off the wife of Menelaus: it appeared to Helene to follow him. If then it had appeared to Menelaus to feel that it was a gain to be deprived of such a wife, what would have happened? Not only would the Iliad have been lost, but the Odyssey also. On so small a matter then did such great things depend? But what do you mean by such great things? Wars and civil commotions, and the destruction of many men and cities. And what great matter is this? Is it nothing?—But what great matter is the death of many oxen, and many sheep, and many nests of swallows or storks being burnt or destroyed? Are these things then like those? Very like. Bodies of men are destroyed, and the bodies of oxen and sheep; the dwellings of men are burnt, and the nests of storks. What is there in this great or dreadful? Or show me what is the difference between a man’s house and a stork’s nest, as far as each is a dwelling; except that man builds his little houses of beams and tiles and bricks, and the stork builds them of sticks and mud. Are a stork and a man then like things? What say you?—In body they are very much alike.
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Epictetus, Discourses 1.28 ¶3, tr. George Long (1877)
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Epictetus, Discourses (as recorded by Arrian), tr. George Long (1877). Text: Standard Ebooks (CC0). Sources and licences
In plain English
AI-written notesEven enormous events like the Trojan War started from a single impression, what seemed good to Paris and to Helen, so what drives human action is how things appear to us. The passage pushes this provocatively, comparing the loss of human homes and lives with the loss of birds' nests to argue that bodily and material loss is not in itself the real harm.
Older wording
- “appearance”
- — an impression, the way a thing strikes your mind
- “civil commotions”
- — riots and civil unrest
Themes and situations
- Judgements and impressions
- Emotions and the passions
- Desire and craving
- Nature and the cosmos
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