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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 1.7 ¶4 — Epictetus

From “Of the Use of Sophistical Arguments and Hypothetical and the Like”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 1.7 ¶4

Why are we still indolent and negligent and sluggish, and why do we seek pretences for not laboring and not being watchful in cultivating our reason? If then I shall make a mistake in these matters may I not have killed my father? Slave, where was there a father in this matter that you could kill him? What then have you done? The only fault that was possible here is the fault which you have committed. This is the very remark which I made to Rufus when he blamed me for not having discovered the one thing omitted in a certain syllogism: I suppose, I said, that I have burnt the Capitol. Slave, he replied, was the thing omitted here the Capitol? Or are these the only crimes, to burn the Capitol and to kill your father? But for a man to use the appearances presented to him rashly and foolishly and carelessly, and not to understand argument, nor demonstration, nor sophism, nor, in a word, to see in questioning and answering what is consistent with that which we have granted or is not consistent; is there no error in this?
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People look for excuses not to work at improving their reasoning. Mistakes in thinking seem small compared with dramatic crimes like killing a parent or burning a temple, but using impressions rashly and carelessly and failing to see what follows from what is a real fault too.

Older wording

“pretences”
— false excuses
“syllogism”
— a formal argument with two premises and a conclusion
“sophism”
— a clever but false argument

Themes and situations

  • Self-discipline and habit
  • Learning and progress
  • Judgements and impressions
  • Procrastination

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