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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 1.8 ¶2 — Epictetus

From “That the Faculties Are Not Safe to the Uninstructed”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 1.8 ¶2

Why then do we not exercise ourselves and one another in this manner? Because, I reply, at present, though we are not exercised in these things and not distracted from the study of morality, by me at least, still we make no progress in virtue. What then must we expect if we should add this occupation? and particularly as this would not only be an occupation which would withdraw us from more necessary things, but would also be a cause of self-conceit and arrogance, and no small cause. For great is the power of arguing and the faculty of persuasion, and particularly if it should be much exercised and also receive additional ornament from language: and so universally, every faculty acquired by the uninstructed and weak brings with it the danger of these persons being elated and inflated by it. For by what means could one persuade a young man who excels in these matters that he ought not to become an appendage to them, but to make them an appendage to himself? Does he not trample on all such reasons, and strut before us elated and inflated, not enduring that any man should reprove him and remind him of what he has neglected and to what he has turned aside?
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Epictetus, Discourses 1.8 ¶2, tr. George Long (1877)

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Training in clever argument pulls attention from what matters, namely morals, and tends to feed conceit, since any skill picked up by the untaught and weak makes them puffed up. A young man who excels at arguing will trample on others' reasons and strut about unable to bear correction, when he ought to make his skills serve him and not himself serve them.

Older wording

“self-conceit”
— excessive pride in oneself
“appendage”
— something attached to a larger thing
“elated”
— puffed up with pride

Themes and situations

  • Pride and humility
  • Learning and progress
  • Virtue and character
  • Self-discipline and habit
  • Handling success

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