Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE
Discourses 1.9 ¶5 — Epictetus
From “How from the Fact That We Are Akin to God a Man May Proceed to the Consequences”
Translation by George Long (1877)
Epictetus, Discourses 1.9 ¶5
Something like this ought to be said by the teacher to ingenuous youths. But now what happens? The teacher is a lifeless body, and you are lifeless bodies. When you have been well filled today, you sit down and lament about the morrow, how you shall get something to eat. Wretch, if you have it, you will have it; if you have it not, you will depart from life. The door is open. Why do you grieve? where does there remain any room for tears? and where is there occasion for flattery? why shall one man envy another? why should a man admire the rich or the powerful, even if they be both very strong and of violent temper? for what will they do to us? We shall not care for that which they can do; and what we do care for, that they cannot do. How did Socrates behave with respect to these matters? Why, in what other way than a man ought to do who was convinced that he was a kinsman of the gods? “If you say to me now,” said Socrates to his judges, “we will acquit you on the condition that you no longer discourse in the way in which you have hitherto discoursed, nor trouble either our young or our old men, I shall answer, you make yourselves ridiculous by thinking that if one of our commanders has appointed me to a certain post, it is my duty to keep and maintain it, and to resolve to die a thousand times rather than desert it; but if God has put us in any place and way of life, we ought to desert it.” Socrates speaks like a man who is really a kinsman of the gods. But we think about ourselves as if we were only stomachs, and intestines, and shameful parts; we fear, we desire; we flatter those who are able to help us in these matters, and we fear them also.
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Epictetus, Discourses 1.9 ¶5, tr. George Long (1877)
https://whatwouldstoicsdo.com/passage/discourses/1.9.5
Epictetus, Discourses (as recorded by Arrian), tr. George Long (1877). Text: Standard Ebooks (CC0). Sources and licences
In plain English
AI-written notesFretting about tomorrow's food, flattering the powerful and envying the rich all lose their grip once you remember that nothing can really be done to you that you cannot face, including the last exit of leaving life, which this passage presents as always open. Socrates acted like a kinsman of the gods, who would die many times rather than desert the post that God assigned him.
Older wording
- “ingenuous”
- — innocent and sincere
- “acquit”
- — declare not guilty
Themes and situations
- Fear and anxiety
- Death and mortality
- Courage
- Freedom
- Acceptance and fate
- Anxiety about the future
- Losing money
- Envy and comparison