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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 2.19 ¶4 — Epictetus

From “Against Those Who Embrace Philosophical Opinions Only in Words”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 2.19 ¶4

Observe yourselves thus in your actions, and you will find to what sect you belong. You will find that most of you are Epicureans, a few Peripatetics, and those feeble. For wherein will you show that you really consider virtue equal to everything else or even superior? But show me a Stoic, if you can. Where or how? But you can show me an endless number who utter small arguments of the Stoics. For do the same persons repeat the Epicurean opinions any worse? And the Peripatetic, do they not handle them also with equal accuracy? Who then is a Stoic? As we call a statue Phidiac, which is fashioned according to the art of Phidias; so show me a man who is fashioned according to the doctrines which he utters. Show me a man who is sick and happy, in danger and happy, dying and happy, in exile and happy, in disgrace and happy. Show him: I desire, by the gods, to see a Stoic. You cannot show me one fashioned so; but show me at least one who is forming, who has shown a tendency to be a Stoic. Do me this favor: do not grudge an old man seeing a sight which I have not seen yet. Do you think that you must show me the Zeus of Phidias or the Athena, a work of ivory and gold? Let any of you show me a human soul ready to think as God does, and not to blame either God or man, ready not to be disappointed about anything, not to consider himself damaged by anything, not to be angry, not to be envious, not to be jealous; and why should I not say it direct? desirous from a man to become a god, and in this poor mortal body thinking of his fellowship with Zeus. Show me the man. But you cannot. Why then do you delude yourselves and cheat others? and why do you put on a guise which does not belong to you, and walk about being thieves and pilferers of these names and things which do not belong to you?
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Epictetus, Discourses 2.19 ¶4, tr. George Long (1877)

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Anyone can recite a school's arguments, but the real test is whether you stay content when sick, in danger, exiled or disgraced, free of blame, anger and envy. The speaker challenges people to show even one genuine Stoic, or one in the making, and calls out those who borrow the name without living the teaching.

Older wording

“Peripatetics”
— followers of Aristotle
“Epicureans”
— followers of Epicurus, who made pleasure the good
“Phidiac”
— in the manner of the sculptor Phidias

Themes and situations

  • Virtue and character
  • Learning and progress
  • Pride and humility
  • Courage

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