Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE
Discourses 2.20 ¶3 — Epictetus
From “Against the Epicureans and Academics”
Translation by George Long (1877)
Epictetus, Discourses 2.20 ¶3
What then was it that waked Epicurus from his sleepiness, and compelled him to write what he did write? What else was it than that which is the strongest thing in men: nature, which draws a man to her own will though he be unwilling and complaining? For since, she says, you think that there is no community among mankind, write this opinion and leave it for others, and break your sleep to do this, and by your own practice condemn your own opinions. Shall we then say that Orestes was agitated by the Erinyes (Furies) and roused from his deep sleep, and did not more savage Erinyes and Pains rouse Epicurus from his sleep and not allow him to rest, but compelled him to make known his own evils, as madness and wine did the Galli (the priests of Cybele)? So strong and invincible is man’s nature: For how can a vine be moved not in the manner of a vine, but in the manner of an olive tree? or on the other hand how can an olive tree be moved not in the manner of an olive tree, but in the manner of a vine? It is impossible: it cannot be conceived. Neither then is it possible for a man completely to lose the movements (affects) of a man; and even those who are deprived of their genital members are not able to deprive themselves of man’s desires. Thus Epicurus also mutilated all the offices of a man, and of a father of a family, and of a citizen and of a friend, but he did not mutilate human desires, for he could not; not more than the lazy Academics can cast away or blind their own senses, though they have tried with all their might to do it. What a shame is this: when a man has received from nature measures and rules for the knowing of truth, and does not strive to add to these measures and rules and to improve them, but just the contrary, endeavors to take away and destroy whatever enables us to discern the truth?
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Epictetus, Discourses 2.20 ¶3, tr. George Long (1877)
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In plain English
AI-written notesHuman nature is so strong that even those who argue against it cannot escape it: Epicurus gave up his sleep to write and teach, which shows a human drive to share what he took to be true. A person can no more stop being human than a vine can behave like an olive tree, and it is shameful to wear down the tools nature gave us for finding truth.
Older wording
- “Erinyes”
- — the Furies, spirits of vengeance
- “Galli”
- — the priests of the goddess Cybele
Themes and situations
- Nature and the cosmos
- Community and our duty to others
- Virtue and character
- Learning and progress
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