Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE
Discourses 2.5 ¶4 — Epictetus
From “How Magnanimity Is Consistent with Care”
Translation by George Long (1877)
Epictetus, Discourses 2.5 ¶4
Socrates then knew how to play at ball. How? By using pleasantry in the court where he was tried. “Tell me,” he says, “Anytus, how do you say that I do not believe in God. The Daemons (δαίμονες), who are they, think you? Are they not sons of Gods, or compounded of gods and men?” When Anytus admitted this, Socrates said, “Who then, think you, can believe that there are mules (half asses), but not asses;” and this he said as if he were playing at ball. And what was the ball in that case? Life, chains, banishment, a draught of poison, separation from wife, and leaving children orphans. These were the things with which he was playing; but still he did play and threw the ball skillfully. So we should do: we must employ all the care of the players, but show the same indifference about the ball. For we ought by all means to apply our art to some external material, not as valuing the material, but, whatever it may be, showing our art in it. Thus too the weaver does not make wool, but exercises his art upon such as he receives. Another gives you food and property and is able to take them away and your poor body also. When then you have received the material, work on it. If then you come out (of the trial) without having suffered anything, all who meet you will congratulate you on your escape; but he who knows how to look at such things, if he shall see that you have behaved properly in the matter, will commend you and be pleased with you; and if he shall find that you owe your escape to any want of proper behavior, he will do the contrary. For where rejoicing is reasonable, there also is congratulation reasonable.
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Epictetus, Discourses 2.5 ¶4, tr. George Long (1877)
https://whatwouldstoicsdo.com/passage/discourses/2.5.4
Epictetus, Discourses (as recorded by Arrian), tr. George Long (1877). Text: Standard Ebooks (CC0). Sources and licences
In plain English
AI-written notesSocrates treated his trial like a game of catch: even with life, family and freedom at stake, he kept his skill and humour, joking with his accuser. Treat any situation as material to show your craft in without valuing the material itself, and judge success by how well you behaved, not simply by escaping unharmed.
Older wording
- “δαίμονες”
- — spirits, lesser divine beings
- “pleasantry”
- — light, good-humoured joking
Themes and situations
- Courage
- What is in our control
- Resilience and endurance
- Reputation and others' opinions
- Virtue and character
- Being treated unfairly
- Fear of failure
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