Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE
Discourses 3.16 ¶1 — Epictetus
From “That We Ought with Caution to Enter Into Familiar Intercourse with Men”
Translation by George Long (1877)
Epictetus, Discourses 3.16 ¶1
If a man has frequent intercourse with others either for talk, or drinking together, or generally for social purposes, he must either become like them, or change them to his own fashion. For if a man places a piece of quenched charcoal close to a piece that is burning, either the quenched charcoal will quench the other, or the burning charcoal will light that which is quenched. Since then the danger is so great, we must cautiously enter into such intimacies with those of the common sort, and remember that it is impossible that a man can keep company with one who is covered with soot without being partaker of the soot himself. For what will you do if a man speaks about gladiators, about horses, about athletes, or what is worse about men? Such a person is bad, such a person is good; this was well done, this was done badly. Further, if he scoff, or ridicule, or show an ill-natured disposition? Is any man among us prepared like a lute-player when he takes a lute, so that as soon as he has touched the strings, he discovers which are discordant, and tunes the instrument? such a power as Socrates had who in all his social intercourse could lead his companions to his own purpose? How should you have this power? It is therefore a necessary consequence that you are carried about by the common kind of people.
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Epictetus, Discourses 3.16 ¶1, tr. George Long (1877)
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In plain English
AI-written notesSpending a lot of time with ordinary company means you will either shape them or be shaped by them, like a dead coal placed beside a live one. Until your own convictions are strong, be careful about who you socialise with, since you cannot sit through gossip, scorn and idle talk without picking up the soot.
Older wording
- “quenched charcoal”
- — charcoal that has gone out
- “the common sort”
- — ordinary people with no interest in self-improvement
Themes and situations
- Friendship
- Judgements and impressions
- Learning and progress
- Speech and silence
- Self-discipline and habit
- Trouble with a friend
- Breaking a bad habit
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