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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 3.22 ¶1 — Epictetus

From “About Cynism”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 3.22 ¶1

When one of his pupils inquired of Epictetus, and he was a person who appeared to be inclined to Cynism, what kind of person a Cynic ought to be and what was the notion (πρόληψις) of the thing—we will inquire, said Epictetus, at leisure: but I have so much to say to you that he who without God attempts so great a matter, is hateful to God, and has no other purpose than to act indecently in public. For in any well-managed house no man comes forward, and says to himself, I ought to be manager of the house. If he does so, the master turns round, and seeing him insolently giving orders, drags him forth and flogs him. So it is also in this great city (the world); for here also there is a master of the house who orders everything. (He says) “You are the sun; you can by going round make the year and seasons, and make the fruits grow and nourish them, and stir the winds and make them remit, and warm the bodies of men properly: go, travel round, and so administer things from the greatest to the least. You are a calf; when a lion shall appear, do your proper business (i.e. run away): if you do not, you will suffer. You are a bull: advance and fight, for this is your business, and becomes you, and you can do it. You can lead the army against Ilium; be Agamemnon. You can fight in single combat against Hector: be Achilles.” But if Thersites came forward and claimed the command, he would either not have obtained it; or if he did obtain it, he would have disgraced himself before many witnesses.
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Taking on a grand calling you are not fitted for is like a servant announcing that he should run the household, and it ends in disgrace. Every creature has its own proper job in the world, so do yours well and do not grab a role that does not suit you.

Older wording

“Cynic”
— a follower of the austere philosophy of Diogenes, living with almost no possessions
“Thersites”
— a loud, low-ranking soldier in the Iliad who challenged the leaders
“Ilium”
— Troy

Themes and situations

  • Duty and roles
  • Pride and humility
  • Nature and the cosmos
  • Leadership and power
  • Acceptance and fate
  • Searching for meaning

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