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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 3.22 ¶13 — Epictetus

From “About Cynism”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 3.22 ¶13

How then shall a man maintain the existence of society? In the name of God, are those men greater benefactors to society who introduce into the world to occupy their own places two or three grunting children, or those who superintend as far as they can all mankind, and see what they do, how they live, what they attend to, what they neglect contrary to their duty? Did they who left little children to the Thebans do them more good than Epaminondas who died childless? And did Priamus who begat fifty worthless sons or Danaus or Aeolus contribute more to the community than Homer? Then shall the duty of a general or the business of a writer exclude a man from marriage or the begetting of children, and such a man shall not be judged to have accepted the condition of childlessness for nothing; and shall not the royalty of a Cynic be considered an equivalent for the want of children? Do we not perceive his grandeur and do we not justly contemplate the character of Diogenes; and do we instead of this turn our eyes to the present Cynics who are dogs that wait at tables, and in no respect imitate the Cynics of old except perchance in breaking wind, but in nothing else? For such matters would not have moved us at all nor should we have wondered if a Cynic should not marry or beget children. Man, the Cynic is the father of all men; the men are his sons, the women are his daughters: he so carefully visits all, so well does he care for all. Do you think that it is from idle impertinence that he rebukes those whom he meets? He does it as a father, as a brother, and as the minister of the father of all, the minister of Zeus.
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A person can serve society by guiding and caring for everyone, as a general, a writer or a true Cynic does, and not only by raising children of their own. The real Cynic treats all people as his family and rebukes them out of care, unlike the freeloading imitators of today.

Older wording

“benefactors”
— people who do good for others
“Cynic”
— a follower of the austere philosophy of Diogenes, living with almost no possessions

Themes and situations

  • Community and our duty to others
  • Duty and roles
  • Virtue and character
  • Kindness and forgiveness
  • Leadership and power

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