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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 3.24 ¶3 — Epictetus

From “That We Ought Not to Be Moved by a Desire of Those Things Which Are Not in Our Power”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 3.24 ¶3

“But my mother laments when she does not see me.”—Why has she not learned these principles? and I do not say this, that we should not take care that she may not lament, but I say that we ought not to desire in every way what is not our own. And the sorrow of another is another’s sorrow: but my sorrow is my own. I then will stop my own sorrow by every means, for it is in my power: and the sorrow of another I will endeavor to stop as far as I can; but I will not attempt to do it by every means; for if I do, I shall be fighting against God, I shall be opposing Zeus and shall be placing myself against him in the administration of the universe; and the reward (the punishment) of this fighting against God and of this disobedience not only will the children of my children pay, but I also shall myself, both by day and by night, startled by dreams, perturbed, trembling at every piece of news, and having my tranquillity depending on the letters of others.—“Some person has arrived from Rome. I only hope that there is no harm.” But what harm can happen to you, where you are not?—“From Hellas (Greece) someone is come: I hope that there is no harm.”—In this way every place may be the cause of misfortune to you. Is it not enough for you to be unfortunate there where you are, and must you be so even beyond sea, and by the report of letters? Is this the way in which your affairs are in a state of security?—“Well then suppose that my friends have died in the places which are far from me.”—What else have they suffered than that which is the condition of mortals? Or how are you desirous at the same time to live to old age, and at the same time not to see the death of any person whom you love? Know you not that in the course of a long time many and various kinds of things must happen; that a fever shall overpower one, a robber another, and a third a tyrant? Such is the condition of things around us, such are those who live with us in the world: cold and heat, and unsuitable ways of living, and journeys by land, and voyages by sea, and winds, and various circumstances which surround us, destroy one man, and banish another, and throw one upon an embassy and another into an army. Sit down then in a flutter at all these things, lamenting, unhappy, unfortunate, dependent on another, and dependent not on one or two, but on ten thousands upon ten thousands.
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Another person's sorrow, such as a mother grieving that you are far away, belongs to them, and you can ease it where reasonable but not by any means whatever. Making your peace depend on letters and news from afar leaves you trembling at every report, and friends dying or being banished is simply the normal condition of mortals, since you cannot hope for long life without also expecting to see people you love die.

Older wording

“perturbed”
— emotionally disturbed
“embassy”
— a diplomatic mission abroad

Themes and situations

  • Grief and mourning
  • What is in our control
  • Fear and anxiety
  • Family and love
  • Acceptance and fate
  • Moving away or exile
  • Bereavement
  • Anxiety about the future
  • Family conflict

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