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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 3.24 ¶9 — Epictetus

From “That We Ought Not to Be Moved by a Desire of Those Things Which Are Not in Our Power”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 3.24 ¶9

Wherefore the wise and good man, remembering who he is and whence he came, and by whom he was produced, is attentive only to this, how he may fill his place with due regularity, and obediently to God. Dost thou still wish me to exist (live)? I will continue to exist as free, as noble in nature, as thou hast wished me to exist: for thou hast made me free from hindrance in that which is my own. But hast thou no further need of me? I thank thee; and so far I have remained for thy sake, and for the sake of no other person, and now in obedience to thee I depart. How dost thou depart? Again, I say, as thou hast pleased, as free, as thy servant, as one who has known thy commands and thy prohibitions. And so long as I shall stay in thy service, whom dost thou will me to be? A prince or a private man, a senator or a common person, a soldier or a general, a teacher or a master of a family? Whatever place and position thou mayest assign to me, as Socrates says, I will die ten thousand times rather than desert them. And where dost thou will me to be? in Rome or Athens, or Thebes or Gyara. Only remember me there where I am. If thou sendest me to a place where there are no means for men living according to nature, I shall not depart (from life) in disobedience to thee, but as if thou wast giving me the signal to retreat: I do not leave thee, let this be far from my intention, but I perceive that thou hast no need of me. If means of living according to nature be allowed to me, I will seek no other place than that in which I am, or other men than those among whom I am.
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Epictetus, Discourses 3.24 ¶9, tr. George Long (1877)

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The wise person keeps in mind who made them and simply fills whatever post they are given, ruler or private citizen, in Rome or in exile, with willingness and thanks, ready to leave life when the time comes. The passage frames death as a signal from God and speaks of departing from life if the means to live according to nature are gone.

Older wording

“Gyara”
— a barren Aegean island used by Romans as a place of exile
“signal to retreat”
— a military image for the call to leave life

Themes and situations

  • Duty and roles
  • Acceptance and fate
  • Death and mortality
  • Freedom
  • Nature and the cosmos
  • Searching for meaning
  • Moving away or exile