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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 3.25 ¶2 — Epictetus

From “To Those Who Fall Off (Desist) from Their Purpose”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 3.25 ¶2

The sight of a beautiful young girl overpowers me. Well, have I not been overpowered before? An inclination arises in me to find fault with a person; for have I not found fault with him before? You speak to us as if you had come off (from these things) free from harm, just as if a man should say to his physician who forbids him to bathe, “Have I not bathed before?” If then the physician can say to him: Well, and what then happened to you after the bath? Had you not a fever, had you not a headache? And when you found fault with a person lately, did you not do the act of a malignant person, of a trifling babbler; did you not cherish this habit in you by adding to it the corresponding acts? And when you were overpowered by the young girl, did you come off unharmed? Why then do you talk of what you did before? You ought, I think, remembering what you did, as slaves remember the blows which they have received, to abstain from the same faults. But the one case is not like the other; for in the case of slaves the pain causes the remembrance: but in the case of your faults, what is the pain, what is the punishment; for when have you been accustomed to fly from evil acts? Sufferings then of the trying character are useful to us, whether we choose or not.
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Epictetus, Discourses 3.25 ¶2, tr. George Long (1877)

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Past slips are a reason to avoid the same thing again, not a reason to shrug and give in, since each lapse strengthens the habit. Like a patient who points out he has bathed before despite his doctor's warning, we forget the fever that followed, and because our faults do not hurt on the spot the way a beating does, we have to remember them deliberately.

Older wording

“malignant person”
— a spiteful, ill-willed person
“babbler”
— someone who chatters pointlessly

Themes and situations

  • Self-discipline and habit
  • Pleasure and pain
  • Learning and progress
  • Anger
  • Judgements and impressions
  • Breaking a bad habit
  • Being angry with someone

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