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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 4.1 ¶19 — Epictetus

From “About Freedom”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 4.1 ¶19

And what is this to liberty? Nothing else than this, whether you who are rich choose or not.—And who is your evidence for this?—who else than yourselves? who have a powerful master (Caesar), and who live in obedience to his nod and motion, and who faint if he only looks at you with a scowling countenance; you who court old women and old men, and say, “I cannot do this: it is not in my power.” Why is it not in your power? Did you not lately contend with me and say that you are free? “But Aprulla has hindered me.” Tell the truth then, slave, and do not run away from your masters, nor deny, nor venture to produce anyone to assert your freedom (καρπιοτήν), when you have so many evidences of your slavery. And indeed when a man is compelled by love to do something contrary to his opinion (judgment), and at the same time sees the better, but has not the strength to follow it, one might consider him still more worthy of excuse as being held by a certain violent and in a manner a divine power. But who could endure you who are in love with old women and old men, and wipe the old women’s noses, and wash them and give them presents, and also wait on them like a slave when they are sick, and at the same time wish them dead, and question the physicians whether they are sick unto death? And again, when in order to obtain these great and much admired magistracies and honors, you kiss the hands of these slaves of others, and so you are not the slave even of free men. Then you walk about before me in stately fashion a praetor or a consul. Do I not know how you became a praetor, by what means you got your consulship, who gave it to you? I would not even choose to live, if I must live by help of Felicion and endure his arrogance and servile insolence: for I know what a slave is, who is fortunate, as he thinks, and puffed up by pride.
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Epictetus, Discourses 4.1 ¶19, tr. George Long (1877)

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AI-written notes

People who flatter and wait on rich old people while secretly hoping they die, or who kiss the hands of other people's servants to win office, are slaves in practice whatever titles they hold. The passage mocks how much apparent freedom is bought with servility and says that living by such help would not be worth choosing.

Older wording

“praetor”
— a senior Roman magistrate
“countenance”
— facial expression
“magistracies”
— public offices held by officials

Themes and situations

  • Freedom
  • Wealth and poverty
  • Ambition and success
  • Virtue and character
  • Reputation and others' opinions
  • An ethical dilemma
  • Money, status and wanting more
  • A career setback