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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 4.1 ¶22 — Epictetus

From “About Freedom”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 4.1 ¶22

Think of these things, these opinions, these words: look to these examples, if you would be free, if you desire the thing according to its worth. And what is the wonder if you buy so great a thing at the price of things so many and so great? For the sake of this which is called liberty, some hang themselves, others throw themselves down precipices, and sometimes even whole cities have perished: and will you not for the sake of the true and unassailable and secure liberty give back to God when he demands them the things which he has given? Will you not, as Plato says, study not to die only, but also to endure torture, and exile, and scourging and in a word to give up all which is not your own? If you will not, you will be a slave among slaves, even if you be ten thousand times a consul; and if you make your way up to the Palace (Caesar’s residence), you will no less be a slave; and you will feel that perhaps philosophers utter words which are contrary to common opinion (paradoxes), as Cleanthes also said, but not words contrary to reason. For you will know by experience that the words are true, and that there is no profit from the things which are valued and eagerly sought to those who have obtained them; and to those who have not yet obtained them there is an imagination (φαντασία), that when these things are come, all that is good will come with them; then, when they are come, the feverish feeling is the same, the tossing to and fro is the same, the satiety, the desire of things which are not present; for freedom is acquired not by the full possession of the things which are desired, but by removing the desire. And that you may know that this is true, as you have labored for those things, so transfer your labor to these; be vigilant for the purpose of acquiring an opinion which will make you free; pay court to a philosopher instead of to a rich old man; be seen about a philosopher’s doors: you will not disgrace yourself by being seen; you will not go away empty nor without profit if you go to the philosopher as you ought, and if not (if you do not succeed), try at least: the trial (attempt) is not disgraceful.
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Freedom is worth a high price, and the price is giving back to God what was lent and being ready for death, torture or exile. Gaining what people chase, such as high office, brings the same feverish tossing and wanting, because freedom comes from removing desire, not from satisfying it, so put the same effort into acquiring freeing opinions that you put into courting the rich.

Older wording

“paradoxes”
— claims that seem contrary to common opinion
“scourging”
— whipping

Themes and situations

  • Freedom
  • Desire and craving
  • Courage
  • Wealth and poverty
  • Learning and progress
  • Money, status and wanting more
  • Searching for meaning