Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE
Discourses 4.13 ¶3 — Epictetus
From “Against or to Those Who Readily Tell Their Own Affairs”
Translation by George Long (1877)
Epictetus, Discourses 4.13 ¶3
“True: but it is unfair when you have heard the secrets of your neighbour for you in your turn to communicate nothing to him.”—Did I ask you for your secrets, my man? did you communicate your affairs on certain terms, that you should in return hear mine also? If you are a babbler and think that all who meet you are friends, do you wish me also to be like you? But why, if you did well in entrusting your affairs to me, and it is not well for me to entrust mine to you, do you wish me to be so rash? It is just the same as if I had a cask which is watertight, and you one with a hole in it, and you should come and deposit with me your wine that I might put it into my cask, and then should complain that I also did not entrust my wine to you, for you have a cask with a hole in it. How then is there any equality here? You entrusted your affairs to a man who is faithful, and modest, to a man who thinks that his own actions alone are injurious and (or) useful, and that nothing external is. Would you have me entrust mine to you, a man who has dishonored his own faculty of will, and who wishes to gain some small bit of money or some office or promotion in the court (emperor’s palace), even if you should be going to murder your own children, like Medea? Where (in what) is this equality (fairness)? But show yourself to me to be faithful, modest, and steady: show me that you have friendly opinions; show that your cask has no hole in it; and you will see how I shall not wait for you to trust me with your affairs, but I myself shall come to you and ask you to hear mine. For who does not choose to make use of a good vessel? Who does not value a benevolent and faithful adviser? Who will not willingly receive a man who is ready to bear a share, as we may say, of the difficulty of his circumstances, and by this very act to ease the burden, by taking a part of it.
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Epictetus, Discourses 4.13 ¶3, tr. George Long (1877)
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Epictetus, Discourses (as recorded by Arrian), tr. George Long (1877). Text: Standard Ebooks (CC0). Sources and licences
In plain English
AI-written notesYou are not obliged to share your secrets just because someone shared theirs. Trust should depend on a person's reliability, like pouring your wine only into a vessel without a leak. Show that you are faithful and steady and others will gladly confide in you, since everyone values a trustworthy adviser who will help carry the load.
Older wording
- “Medea”
- — a mythical mother who killed her own children to take revenge
- “benevolent”
- — kindly and well-meaning
Themes and situations
- Friendship
- Speech and silence
- Virtue and character
- Justice and fairness
- Trouble with a friend
- Betrayal
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