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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 4.6 ¶2 — Epictetus

From “Against Those Who Lament Over Being Pitied”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 4.6 ¶2

Will you not then, letting others alone, be to yourself both scholar and teacher?—The rest of mankind will look after this, whether it is to their interest to be and to pass their lives in a state contrary to nature: but to me no man is nearer than myself. What then is the meaning of this, that I have listened to the words of the philosophers and I assent to them, but in fact I am no way made easier (more content)? Am I so stupid? And yet in all other things such as I have chosen, I have not been found very stupid; but I learned letters quickly, and to wrestle, and geometry, and to resolve syllogisms. Has not then reason convinced me? and indeed no other things have I from the beginning so approved and chosen (as the things which are rational): and now I read about these things, hear about them, write about them; I have so far discovered no reason stronger than this (living according to nature). In what then am I deficient? Have the contrary opinions not been eradicated from me? Have the notions (opinions) themselves not been exercised nor used to be applied to action, but as armor are laid aside and rusted and cannot fit me? And yet neither in the exercises of the palaestra, nor in writing or reading am I satisfied with learning, but I turn up and down the syllogisms which are proposed, and I make others, and sophistical syllogisms also. But the necessary theorems by proceeding from which a man can become free from grief, fear, passions (affects), hindrance, and a free man, these I do not exercise myself in nor do I practice in these the proper practice (study). Then I care about what others will say of me, whether I shall appear to them worth notice, whether I shall appear happy.
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Be your own teacher: if you understand and agree with the philosophy but are no more at peace, the reason is that you have never practised applying it to life, as you did with letters, wrestling and logic. The ideas lie unused like rusting armour while you still worry about what others think of you.

Older wording

“palaestra”
— a wrestling school or gym
“sophistical syllogisms”
— tricky logical puzzles that mislead
“theorems”
— bare doctrines or principles

Themes and situations

  • Learning and progress
  • Self-discipline and habit
  • Reputation and others' opinions
  • Judgements and impressions

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