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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 4.9 ¶2 — Epictetus

From “To a Person Who Had Been Changed to a Character of Shamelessness”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 4.9 ¶2

“And what do I lose?” you will say. My man, you were modest, and you are so no longer. Have you lost nothing? In place of Chrysippus and Zeno you read Aristides and Evenus; have you lost nothing? In place of Socrates and Diogenes, you admire him who is able to corrupt and seduce most women. You wish to appear handsome and try to make yourself so, though you are not. You like to display splendid clothes that you may attract women; and if you find any fine oil (for the hair), you imagine that you are happy. But formerly you did not think of any such thing, but only where there should be decent talk, a worthy man, and a generous conception. Therefore you slept like a man, walked forth like a man, wore a manly dress, and used to talk in a way becoming a good man; then do you say to me, “I have lost nothing?” So do men lose nothing more than coin? Is not modesty lost? Is not decent behavior lost? is it that he who has lost these things has sustained no loss? Perhaps you think that not one of these things is a loss. But there was a time when you reckoned this the only loss and damage, and you were anxious that no man should disturb you from these (good) words and actions.
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Epictetus, Discourses 4.9 ¶2, tr. George Long (1877)

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People who slide into vanity, display and seduction tell themselves they have lost nothing, but they have lost self-respect, decent conduct and their serious pursuits, which are worth more than money. Notice what you have given up, because there was a time you valued exactly those things.

Older wording

“modesty”
— self-respect and restraint in conduct

Themes and situations

  • Virtue and character
  • Desire and craving
  • Self-discipline and habit
  • Learning and progress
  • Breaking a bad habit

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