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Diogenes Laërtius · fl. 3rd century CE

Lives of Eminent Philosophers 7.127 — Diogenes Laërtius on the Stoics

Translation by R. D. Hicks (1925)

Diogenes Laërtius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers 7.127

Reported speech · Diogenes Laërtius on the Stoics

It is a tenet of theirs that between virtue and vice there is nothing intermediate, whereas according to the Peripatetics there is, namely, the state of moral improvement. For, say the Stoics, just as a stick must be either straight or crooked, so a man must be either just or unjust. Nor again are there degrees of justice and injustice; and the same rule applies to the other virtues. Further, while Chrysippus holds that virtue can be lost, Cleanthes maintains that it cannot. According to the former it may be lost in consequence of drunkenness or melancholy; the latter takes it to be inalienable owing to the certainty of our mental apprehension. And virtue in itself they hold to be worthy of choice for its own sake. At all events we are ashamed of bad conduct as if we knew that nothing is really good but the morally beautiful. Moreover, they hold that it is in itself sufficient to ensure well-being: thus Zeno, and Chrysippus in the first book of his treatise On Virtues, and Hecato in the second book of his treatise On Goods:
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Stoics hold that there is no middle ground between virtue and vice, just as a stick is either straight or crooked, and there are no degrees of justice. Virtue is worth choosing for its own sake and is enough for well-being, though they disagreed about whether it can ever be lost.

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“Peripatetics”
— followers of Aristotle
“inalienable”
— impossible to take away
“morally beautiful”
— the morally fine and honourable

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  • Virtue and character
  • Learning and progress

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