Diogenes Laërtius · fl. 3rd century CE
Lives of Eminent Philosophers 7.25 — Diogenes Laërtius on Zeno
Translation by R. D. Hicks (1925)
Diogenes Laërtius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers 7.25
Reported speech · Diogenes Laërtius on Zeno
According to Hippobotus he forgathered with Diodorus, with whom he worked hard at dialectic. And when he was already making progress, he would enter Polemo’s school: so far from all selfconceit was he. In consequence Polemo is said to have addressed him thus: “You slip in, Zeno, by the garden door—I’m quite aware of it—you filch my doctrines and give them a Phoenician make-up.” A dialectician once showed him seven logical forms concerned with the sophism known as “The Reaper,” and Zeno asked him how much he wanted for them. Being told a hundred drachmas, he promptly paid two hundred: to such lengths would he go in his love of learning. They say too that he first introduced the word Duty and wrote a treatise on the subject. It is said, moreover, that he corrected Hesiod’s lines thus: He is best of all men who follows good advice: good too is he who finds out all things for himself.
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Diogenes Laërtius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers 7.25 (on Zeno), tr. R. D. Hicks (1925)
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Diogenes Laërtius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers, Book VII, tr. R. D. Hicks (Loeb, 1925). Text: Perseus Digital Library (CC BY-SA 4.0). Sources and licences
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AI-written notesEven once he was making progress, Zeno kept learning from other teachers and happily overpaid for a lesson, showing he had no pride about needing teachers. He is credited with introducing duty as a topic, and with reversing a poet's ranking so that taking good advice counts as better than working everything out alone.
Older wording
- “dialectic”
- — the art of reasoning through question and answer
- “sophism”
- — a clever but misleading argument
- “drachmas”
- — Greek silver coins
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- Learning and progress
- Pride and humility
- Duty and roles
- Handling success
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