Seneca · c. 4 BCE – 65 CE
On Benefits 3.16 — Seneca
Translation by Aubrey Stewart (1887)
Seneca, On Benefits 3.16
“More men,” our opponent argues, “will be ungrateful, if no legal remedy exists against ingratitude.” Nay, fewer, because then benefits will be bestowed with more discrimination. In the next place, it is not advisable that it should be publicly known how many ungrateful men there are: for the number of sinners will do away with the disgrace of the sin, and a reproach which applies to all men will cease to be dishonourable. Is any woman ashamed of being divorced, now that some noble ladies reckon the years of their lives, not by the number of the consuls, but by that of their husbands, now that they leave their homes in order to marry others, and marry only in order to be divorced? Divorce was only dreaded as long as it was unusual; now that no gazette appears without it, women learn to do what they hear so much about. Can anyone feel ashamed of adultery, now that things have come to such a pass that no woman keeps a husband at all unless it be to pique her lover? Chastity merely implies ugliness. Where will you find any woman so abject, so repulsive, as to be satisfied with a single pair of lovers, without having a different one for each hour of the day; nor is the day long enough for all of them, unless she has taken her airing in the grounds of one, and passes the night with another. A woman is frumpish and old-fashioned if she does not know that “adultery with one paramour is nicknamed marriage.” Just as all shame at these vices has disappeared since the vice itself became so widely spread, so if you made the ungrateful begin to count their own numbers, you would both make them more numerous, and enable them to be ungrateful with greater impunity.
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Seneca, On Benefits 3.16, tr. Aubrey Stewart (1887)
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In plain English
AI-written notesPublicly counting how many ungrateful people exist would make ingratitude seem normal and therefore less shameful, so it is better not to make a legal show of it. The passage illustrates the point with a sweeping and unfair satire about divorce and adultery among Roman women, which a modern reader will find offensive and unhelpful.
Older wording
- “gazette”
- — an official publication of public notices
- “paramour”
- — a lover in an adulterous affair
- “frumpish”
- — dowdy; unfashionable
Themes and situations
- Justice and fairness
- Reputation and others' opinions
- Virtue and character
- Community and our duty to others
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