Seneca · c. 4 BCE – 65 CE
On Benefits 4.19 — Seneca
Translation by Aubrey Stewart (1887)
Seneca, On Benefits 4.19
No sane man fears the gods; for it is madness to fear what is beneficial, and no man loves those whom he fears. You, Epicurus, ended by making God unarmed; you stripped him of all weapons, of all power, and, lest anyone should fear him, you banished him out of the world. There is no reason why you should fear this being, cut off as he is, and separated from the sight and touch of mortals by a vast and impassable wall; he has no power either of rewarding or of injuring us; he dwells alone halfway between our heaven and that of another world, without the society either of animals, of men, or of matter, avoiding the crash of worlds as they fall in ruins above and around him, but neither hearing our prayers nor interested in us. Yet you wish to seem to worship this being just as a father, with a mind, I suppose, full of gratitude; or, if you do not wish to seem grateful, why should you worship him, since you have received no benefit from him, but have been put together entirely at random and by chance by those atoms and mites of yours? “I worship him,” you answer, “because of his glorious majesty and his unique nature.” Granting that you do this, you clearly do it without the attraction of any reward, or any hope; there is therefore something which is desirable for itself, whose own worth attracts you, that is, honour. Now what is more honourable than gratitude? the means of practising this virtue are as extensive as life itself.
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Seneca, On Benefits 4.19, tr. Aubrey Stewart (1887)
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In plain English
AI-written notesA polemic against Epicurus: if the gods were powerless, remote and uninterested in us, nobody would have a reason to worship them. Yet Epicureans do revere the gods for their majesty with no hope of reward, which concedes that some things, such as honour, are worth pursuing for their own sake.
Older wording
- “atoms”
- — the tiny particles that Epicureans believed everything is made of
- “honour”
- — moral goodness valued for itself
Themes and situations
- Gratitude
- Nature and the cosmos
- Virtue and character
- Fear and anxiety
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