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Seneca · c. 4 BCE – 65 CE

On Leisure 4 — Seneca

Translation by Aubrey Stewart (1889)

Seneca, On Leisure 4

Let us grasp the fact that there are two republics, one vast and truly “public,” which contains alike gods and men, in which we do not take account of this or that nook of land, but make the boundaries of our state reach as far as the rays of the sun: and another to which we have been assigned by the accident of birth. This may be that of the Athenians or Carthaginians, or of any other city which does not belong to all men but to some especial ones. Some men serve both of these states, the greater and the lesser, at the same time; some serve only the lesser, some only the greater. We can serve the greater commonwealth even when we are at leisure; indeed I am not sure that we cannot serve it better when we are at leisure to inquire into what virtue is, and whether it be one or many: whether it be nature or art that makes men good: whether that which contains the earth and sea and all that in them is be one, or whether God has placed therein many bodies of the same species: whether that out of which all things are made be continuous and solid, or containing interstices and alternate empty and full spaces: whether God idly looks on at His handiwork, or directs its course: whether He is without and around the world, or whether He pervades its entire surface: whether the world be immortal, or doomed to decay and belonging to the class of things which are born only for a time? What service does he who meditates upon these questions render to God? He prevents these His great works having no one to witness them.
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Everyone belongs to two communities: the small one you were born into and a vast one that includes all gods and humans. Even when withdrawn from public life you can serve the larger one by investigating what virtue is and how the world works, and thinking about these things gives the universe's great works someone to witness them.

Older wording

“commonwealth”
— a community or state
“interstices”
— small gaps or spaces

Themes and situations

  • Community and our duty to others
  • Nature and the cosmos
  • Solitude and retreat
  • Duty and roles
  • Learning and progress
  • Searching for meaning

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