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Seneca · c. 4 BCE – 65 CE

To Marcia, on Consolation 5 — Seneca

Translation by Aubrey Stewart (1889)

Seneca, To Marcia, on Consolation 5

“In the next place, I pray and beseech you not to be self-willed and beyond the management of your friends. You must be aware that none of them know how to behave, whether to mention Drusus in your presence or not, as they neither wish to wrong a noble youth by forgetting him nor to hurt you by speaking of him. When we leave you and assemble together by ourselves, we talk freely about his sayings and doings, treating them with the respect which they deserve: in your presence deep silence is observed about him, and thus you lose that greatest of pleasures, the hearing the praises of your son, which I doubt not you would be willing to hand down to all future ages, had you the means of so doing, even at the cost of your own life. Wherefore endure to listen to, nay, encourage conversation of which he is the subject, and let your ears be open to the name and memory of your son. You ought not to consider this painful, like those who in such a case think that part of their misfortune consists in listening to consolation. As it is, you have altogether run into the other extreme, and, forgetting the better aspects of your lot, look only upon its worse side: you pay no attention to the pleasure you have had in your son’s society and your joyful meetings with him, the sweet caresses of his babyhood, the progress of his education: you fix all your attention upon that last scene of all: and to this, as though it were not shocking enough, you add every horror you can. Do not, I implore you, take a perverse pride in appearing the most unhappy of women: and reflect also that there is no great credit in behaving bravely in times of prosperity, when life glides easily with a favouring current: neither does a calm sea and fair wind display the art of the pilot: some foul weather is wanted to prove his courage. Like him, then, do not give way, but rather plant yourself firmly, and endure whatever burden may fall upon you from above; scared though you may have been at the first roar of the tempest. There is nothing that fastens such a reproach on Fortune as resignation.” After this he points out to her the son who is yet alive: he points out grandchildren from the lost one.
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Do not push away people who want to talk about the one you lost: friends stay silent only for fear of hurting you, which robs you of the pleasure of hearing him praised. Grief narrows attention to the final painful scene and forgets the joys that came before, so do not take a perverse pride in being the most unhappy. Courage is proved in storms, not on calm seas.

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“self-willed”
— stubborn, insisting on one's own way
“beseech”
— plead with

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  • Grief and mourning
  • Friendship
  • Emotions and the passions
  • Resilience and endurance
  • Courage
  • Bereavement
  • Loneliness
  • Trouble with a friend

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