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Cicero (on the Stoics) · 106–43 BCE

Tusculan Disputations 2 ¶20 — Cicero (on the Stoics)

From “On Bearing Pain”

Translation by C. D. Yonge (1853)

Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 2 ¶20

M. First, then, I will speak of the weakness of many philosophers, and those, too, of various sects; the head of whom, both in authority and antiquity, was Aristippus, the pupil of Socrates, who hesitated not to say that pain was the greatest of all evils. And after him Epicurus easily gave in to this effeminate and enervated doctrine. After him Hieronymus the Rhodian said that to be without pain was the chief good, so great an evil did pain appear to him to be. The rest, with the exceptions of Zeno, Aristo, Pyrrho, were pretty much of the same opinion that you were of just now—that it was indeed an evil, but that there were many worse. When, then, nature herself, and a certain generous feeling of virtue, at once prevents you from persisting in the assertion that pain is the chief evil, and when you were driven from such an opinion when disgrace was contrasted with pain, shall philosophy, the preceptress of life, cling to this idea for so many ages? What duty of life, what praise, what reputation, would be of such consequence that a man should be desirous of gaining it at the expense of submitting to bodily pain, when he has persuaded himself that pain is the greatest evil? On the other side, what disgrace, what ignominy, would he not submit to that he might avoid pain, when persuaded that it was the greatest of evils? Besides, what person, if it be only true that pain is the greatest of evils, is not miserable, not only when he actually feels pain, but also whenever he is aware that it may befall him? And who is there whom pain may not befall? So that it is clear that there is absolutely no one who can possibly be happy. Metrodorus, indeed, thinks that man perfectly happy whose body is free from all disorders, and who has an assurance that it will always continue so—but who is there who can be assured of that?
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If pain were the worst evil, nobody could ever be happy, because everyone is at risk of it and merely knowing pain may come would make us miserable. The speaker uses that to attack thinkers who rank pain highest, calling their stance weak, since it would make us give up honor and accept disgrace just to avoid it.

Older wording

“effeminate”
— unmanly (a dated insult for softness)
“enervated”
— weakened, drained of strength
“ignominy”
— public shame

Themes and situations

  • Pleasure and pain
  • Fear and anxiety
  • Virtue and character
  • Desire and craving
  • Illness or diagnosis
  • Anxiety about the future

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