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Cicero (on the Stoics) · 106–43 BCE

Tusculan Disputations 2 ¶53 — Cicero (on the Stoics)

From “On Bearing Pain”

Translation by C. D. Yonge (1853)

Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 2 ¶53

But it was not so with our friend Posidonius, whom I have often seen myself, and I will tell you what Pompey used to say of him: that when he came to Rhodes, after his departure from Syria, he had a great desire to hear Posidonius, but was informed that he was very ill of a severe fit of the gout; yet he had great inclination to pay a visit to so famous a philosopher. Accordingly, when he had seen him and paid his compliments, and had spoken with great respect of him, he said he was very sorry that he could not hear him lecture. “But indeed you may,” replied the other, “nor will I suffer any bodily pain to occasion so great a man to visit me in vain.” On this Pompey relates that, as he lay on his bed, he disputed with great dignity and fluency on this very subject: that nothing was good but what was honest; and that in his paroxysms he would often say, “Pain, it is to no purpose; notwithstanding you are troublesome, I will never acknowledge you an evil.” And in general all celebrated and notorious afflictions become endurable by disregarding them.
— Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 2 ¶53 · tr. C. D. Yonge (1853)Read in context →

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Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 2 ¶53, tr. C. D. Yonge (1853)

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Even in a fit of gout, Posidonius refused to let pain make a visiting guest leave disappointed, and lectured from his bed that only moral goodness counts as good, telling his pain that it was a nuisance but would never be admitted to be an evil. Famous hardships become bearable once we refuse to let them rule our judgement.

Older wording

“paroxysms”
— sudden fits or attacks of pain
“gout”
— a painful joint disease

Themes and situations

  • Resilience and endurance
  • Courage
  • Pleasure and pain
  • What is in our control
  • Illness or diagnosis

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