Cicero (on the Stoics) · 106–43 BCE
Tusculan Disputations 5 ¶44 — Cicero (on the Stoics)
From “Whether Virtue Alone Be Sufficient for a Happy Life”
Translation by C. D. Yonge (1853)
Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 5 ¶44
I would not ask everyone this question; for someone perhaps might answer that he would not only prefer four consulates to one, but even one day of Cinna’s life to whole ages of many famous men. Laelius would have suffered had he but touched anyone with his finger, but Cinna ordered the head of his colleague consul, Cn. Octavius, to be struck off, and put to death P. Crassus, and L. Caesar, those excellent men so renowned both at home and abroad, and even M. Antonius, the greatest orator whom I ever heard, and C. Caesar, who seems to me to have been the pattern of humanity, politeness, sweetness of temper, and wit. Could he, then, be happy who occasioned the death of these men? So far from it, that he seems to be miserable, not only for having performed these actions, but also for acting in such a manner that it was lawful for him to do it, though it is unlawful for anyone to do wicked actions; but this proceeds from inaccuracy of speech, for we call whatever a man is allowed to do lawful. Was not Marius happier, I pray you, when he shared the glory of the victory gained over the Cimbrians with his colleague Catulus (who was almost another Laelius; for I look upon the two men as very like one another), than when, conqueror in the civil war, he in a passion answered the friends of Catulus, who were interceding for him, “Let him die”? And this answer he gave, not once only, but often. But in such a case, he was happier who submitted to that barbarous decree than he who issued it. And it is better to receive an injury than to do one, and so it was better to advance a little to meet that death that was making its approaches, as Catulus did, than, like Marius, to sully the glory of six consulships, and disgrace his latter days, by the death of such a man.
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Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 5 ¶44, tr. C. D. Yonge (1853)
https://whatwouldstoicsdo.com/passage/tusculan-disputations/5.44
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In plain English
AI-written notesPower won through bloodshed does not make a person happy: Cinna, who had eminent colleagues put to death, was miserable for what he did, and Marius was happier sharing a clean victory than when demanding a rival's death. It is better to suffer an injury than to commit one, even when suffering it means meeting a hard end with dignity.
Older wording
- “interceding”
- — pleading on someone else's behalf
- “sully”
- — stain or tarnish
Themes and situations
- Justice and fairness
- Virtue and character
- Ambition and success
- Courage
- An ethical dilemma
- Being treated unfairly