Cicero (on the Stoics) · 106–43 BCE
Tusculan Disputations 5 ¶64 — Cicero (on the Stoics)
From “Whether Virtue Alone Be Sufficient for a Happy Life”
Translation by C. D. Yonge (1853)
Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 5 ¶64
They report of Timotheus, a famous man at Athens, and the head of the city, that having supped with Plato, and being extremely delighted with his entertainment, on seeing him the next day, he said, “Your suppers are not only agreeable while I partake of them, but the next day also.” Besides, the understanding is impaired when we are full with overeating and drinking. There is an excellent epistle of Plato to Dion’s relations, in which there occurs as nearly as possible these words: “When I came there, that happy life so much talked of, devoted to Italian and Syracusan entertainments, was noways agreeable to me; to be crammed twice a day, and never to have the night to yourself, and the other things which are the accompaniments of this kind of life, by which a man will never be made the wiser, but will be rendered much less temperate; for it must be an extraordinary disposition that can be temperate in such circumstances.” How, then, can a life be pleasant without prudence and temperance? Hence you discover the mistake of Sardanapalus, the wealthiest king of the Assyrians, who ordered it to be engraved on his tomb, I still have what in food I did exhaust; But what I left, though excellent, is lost.
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Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 5 ¶64, tr. C. D. Yonge (1853)
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In plain English
AI-written notesA modest dinner leaves you pleased the next day, while overeating and drinking cloud the mind. Plato found the famed lavish life of southern Italy and Sicily unappealing because eating to the brim twice a day never made anyone wiser and mostly erodes self-control. A life of pleasure without good sense and moderation cannot be truly pleasant, as the epitaph of a rich king who prized only his meals shows.
Older wording
- “temperance”
- — self-control and moderation
- “prudence”
- — practical good sense
Themes and situations
- Self-discipline and habit
- Pleasure and pain
- Simplicity and frugality
- Virtue and character
- Breaking a bad habit
- Money, status and wanting more
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