Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE
Discourses 2.16 ¶5 — Epictetus
From “That We Do Not Strive to Use Our Opinions About Good and Evil”
Translation by George Long (1877)
Epictetus, Discourses 2.16 ¶5
When then shall I see Athens again and the Acropolis? Wretch, are you not content with what you see daily? have you anything better or greater to see than the sun, the moon, the stars, the whole earth, the sea? But if indeed you comprehend him who administers the Whole, and carry him about in yourself, do you still desire small stones, and a beautiful rock? When then you are going to leave the sun itself and the moon, what will you do? will you sit and weep like children? Well, what have you been doing in the school? what did you hear, what did you learn? why did you write yourself a philosopher, when you might have written the truth; as, “I made certain introductions, and I read Chrysippus, but I did not even approach the door of a philosopher.” For how should I possess anything of the kind which Socrates possessed, who died as he did, who lived as he did, or anything such as Diogenes possessed? Do you think that any one of such men wept or grieved, because he was not going to see a certain man, or a certain woman, nor to be in Athens or in Corinth, but, if it should so happen, in Susa or in Ecbatana? For if a man can quit the banquet when he chooses, and no longer amuse himself, does he still stay and complain, and does he not stay, as at any amusement, only so long as he is pleased? Such a man, I suppose, would endure perpetual exile or to be condemned to death. Will you not be weaned now, like children, and take more solid food, and not cry after mammas and nurses, which are the lamentations of old women? “But if I go away, I shall cause them sorrow.” You cause them sorrow? By no means; but that will cause them sorrow which also causes you sorrow: opinion. What have you to do then? Take away your own opinion, and if these women are wise, they will take away their own: if they do not, they will lament through their own fault.
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Epictetus, Discourses 2.16 ¶5, tr. George Long (1877)
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Epictetus, Discourses (as recorded by Arrian), tr. George Long (1877). Text: Standard Ebooks (CC0). Sources and licences
In plain English
AI-written notesLonging for a favourite city or landmark is a habit of opinion; you already have the sun, moon, stars, land and sea to look at, and someone who can leave a party whenever they like does not sit there complaining. If your leaving upsets loved ones, it is their own opinions that cause that sorrow, so fix your own judgement and let them deal with theirs.
Older wording
- “weaned”
- — made to stop depending on a parent's care
- “opinion”
- — your judgement about what a thing is
Themes and situations
- Exile and loss of home
- Acceptance and fate
- Judgements and impressions
- Grief and mourning
- Death and mortality
- Moving away or exile
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