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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 3.7 ¶3 — Epictetus

From “To the Administrator of the Free Cities Who Was an Epicurean”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 3.7 ¶3

In the name of God, are you thinking of a city of Epicureans? [One man says], “I do not marry.”—“Nor I, for a man ought not to marry; nor ought we to beget children, nor engage in public matters.” What then will happen? whence will the citizens come? who will bring them up? who will be governor of the youth, who preside over gymnastic exercises? and in what also will the teacher instruct them? will he teach them what the Lacedaemonians were taught, or what the Athenians were taught? Come take a young man, bring him up according to your doctrines. The doctrines are bad, subversive of a state, pernicious to families, and not becoming to women. Dismiss them, man. You live in a chief city: it is your duty to be a magistrate, to judge justly, to abstain from that which belongs to others; no woman ought to seem beautiful to you except your own wife, and no youth, no vessel of silver, no vessel of gold (except your own). Seek for doctrines which are consistent with what I say, and by making them your guide you will with pleasure abstain from things which have such persuasive power to lead us and overpower us. But if to the persuasive power of these things, we also devise such a philosophy as this which helps to push us on towards them and strengthens us to this end, what will be the conesquence? In a piece of toreutic art which is the best part? the silver or the workmanship? The substance of the hand is the flesh; but the work of the hand is the principal part (that which precedes and leads the rest). The duties then are also three: those which are directed towards the existence of a thing; those which are directed towards its existence in a particular kind; and third, the chief or leading things themselves. So also in man we ought not to value the material, the poor flesh, but the principal (leading things, τὰ προηγούμενα). What are these? Engaging in public business, marrying, begetting children, venerating God, taking care of parents, and generally, having desires, aversions (ἐκκλίνειν), pursuits of things, and avoidances, in the way in which we ought to do these things, and according to our nature. And how are we constituted by nature? Free, noble, modest: for what other animal blushes? what other is capable of receiving the appearance (the impression) of shame? and we are so constituted by nature as to subject pleasure to these things, as a minister, a servant, in order that it may call forth our activity, in order that it may keep us constant in acts which are conformable to nature.
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A society cannot run on a philosophy of withdrawing from marriage, children and public life; a person should take up civic duties, be honest and faithful, and treat pleasure as a servant rather than a master. What matters most in a human life are the leading activities that make us who we are: public work, family, reverence, care for parents, and well-directed desires.

Older wording

“toreutic”
— relating to metalwork and engraved decoration
“subversive”
— undermining
“pernicious”
— harmful

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  • Duty and roles
  • Community and our duty to others
  • Family and love
  • Virtue and character
  • Self-discipline and habit
  • An ethical dilemma
  • Searching for meaning

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