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Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE

Discourses 4.1 ¶4 — Epictetus

From “About Freedom”

Translation by George Long (1877)

Epictetus, Discourses 4.1 ¶4

However, if you please, let us not speak of Caesar at present. But tell me this: did you never love any person, a young girl, or slave, or free? “What then is this with respect to being a slave or free?” Were you never commanded by the person beloved to do something which you did not wish to do? have you never flattered your little slave? have you never kissed her feet? And yet if any man compelled you to kiss Caesar’s feet, you would think it an insult and excessive tyranny. What else then is slavery? Did you never go out by night to some place whither you did not wish to go, did you not expend that you did not wish to expend, did you not utter words with sighs and groans, did you not submit to abuse and to be excluded? But if you are ashamed to confess your own acts, see what Thrasonides says and does, who having seen so much military service as perhaps not even you have, first of all went out by night, when Geta (a slave) does not venture out, but if he were compelled by his master would have cried out much and would have gone out lamenting his bitter slavery. Next, what does Thrasonides say? “A worthless girl has enslaved me, me whom no enemy ever did.” Unhappy man, who are the slave even of a girl, and a worthless girl. Why then do you still call yourself free? and why do you talk of your service in the army? Then he calls for a sword and is angry with him who out of kindness refuses it; and he sends presents to her who hates him, and entreats and weeps, and on the other hand having had a little success he is elated. But even then how? was he free enough neither to desire nor to fear?
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Epictetus, Discourses 4.1 ¶4, tr. George Long (1877)

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Serving someone you love, flattering them, doing what you do not want, sighing, weeping and suffering abuse, is a kind of slavery just as real as serving a ruler. The soldier Thrasonides, brave in war, is enslaved by infatuation: he sneaks out at night, pleads, weeps, sends gifts to a woman who hates him and in despair calls for a sword.

Older wording

“Thrasonides”
— a soldier in a Greek comedy by Menander, enslaved by love for a woman
“Geta”
— a common slave's name in Greek comedy

Themes and situations

  • Freedom
  • Desire and craving
  • Emotions and the passions
  • Pride and humility
  • Grief and mourning
  • A break-up or divorce
  • Rejection