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Seneca · c. 4 BCE – 65 CE

On Benefits 4.13 — Seneca

Translation by Aubrey Stewart (1887)

Seneca, On Benefits 4.13

You Epicureans take pleasure in making a study of dull torpidity, in seeking for a repose which differs little from sound sleep, in lurking beneath the thickest shade, in amusing with the feeblest possible trains of thought that sluggish condition of your languid minds which you term tranquil contemplation, and in stuffing with food and drink, in the recesses of your gardens, your bodies which are pallid with want of exercise; we Stoics, on the other hand, take pleasure in bestowing benefits, even though they cost us labour, provided that they lighten the labours of others; though they lead us into danger, provided that they save others, though they straiten our means, if they alleviate the poverty and distresses of others. What difference does it make to me whether I receive benefits or not? even if I receive them, it is still my duty to bestow them. A benefit has in view the advantage of him upon whom we bestow it, not our own; otherwise we merely bestow it upon ourselves. Many things, therefore, which are of the greatest possible use to others lose all claim to gratitude by being paid for. Merchants are of use to cities, physicians to invalids, dealers to slaves; yet all these have no claim to the gratitude of those whom they benefit, because they seek their own advantage through that of others. That which is bestowed with a view to profit is not a benefit. “I will give this in order that I may get a return for it” is the language of a broker.
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Real generosity aims at the other person's advantage, even when it costs effort, danger or money, whereas giving in order to get something back is just trade. People who serve others for pay deserve payment, not special gratitude, and the language of a broker is not the language of kindness.

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“torpidity”
— sluggish inactivity
“straiten”
— squeeze or restrict
“broker”
— a dealer who profits from arranging trades

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  • Kindness and forgiveness
  • Virtue and character
  • Community and our duty to others
  • Duty and roles
  • Pleasure and pain

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