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Seneca · c. 4 BCE – 65 CE

On Benefits 5.19 ¶3–4 — Seneca

Translation by Aubrey Stewart (1887)

Seneca, On Benefits 5.19 ¶3–4

The Adversary: No, because there are some things which are bestowed upon others, and yet flow from them so as to reach ourselves; yet we must ask the person upon whom it was bestowed for repayment; as for example, money must be sought from the man to whom it was lent, although it may, by some means, have come into my hands. There is no benefit whose advantages do not extend to the receiver’s nearest friends, and sometimes even to those less intimately connected with him; yet we do not enquire whither the benefit has proceeded from him to whom it was first given, but where it was first placed. You must demand repayment from the defendant himself personally. Seneca: Well, but I pray you, do you not say, “you have preserved my son for me; had he perished, I could not have survived him?” Do you not owe a benefit for the life of one whose safety you value above your own? Moreover, should I save your son’s life, you would fall down before my knees, and would pay vows to heaven as though you yourself had been saved; you would say, “It makes no difference whether you have saved mine or me; you have saved us both, yet me more than him.” Why do you say this, if you do not receive a benefit?
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Seneca, On Benefits 5.19 ¶3–4, tr. Aubrey Stewart (1887)

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The objector holds that repayment must be sought from the person who first received a favour, like a loan, but the reply points out that a father who says he could not have survived his son's loss clearly feels he has been helped himself. Anyone who saves your child saves you too, as your own reaction would show.

Older wording

“defendant”
— the person being sued or charged

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  • Family and love
  • Gratitude
  • Kindness and forgiveness

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