Seneca · c. 4 BCE – 65 CE
On Leisure 8 — Seneca
Translation by Aubrey Stewart (1889)
Seneca, On Leisure 8
Add to this that, according to the doctrine of Chrysippus, a man may live at leisure: I do not say that he ought to endure leisure, but that he ought to choose it. Our Stoics say that the wise man would not take part in the government of any state. What difference does it make by what path the wise man arrives at leisure, whether it be because the State is wanting to him, or he is wanting to the State? If the State is to be wanting to all wise men (and it always will be found wanting by refined thinkers), I ask you, to what state should the wise man betake himself; to that of the Athenians, in which Socrates is condemned to death, and from which Aristotle goes into exile lest he should be condemned to death? where virtues are borne down by jealousy? You will tell me that no wise man would join such a state. Shall then the wise man go to the commonwealth of the Carthaginians, where faction never ceases to rage, and liberty is the foe of all the best men, where justice and goodness are held of no account, where enemies are treated with inhuman cruelty and natives are treated like enemies: he will flee from this state also. If I were to discuss each one separately, I should not be able to find one which the wise man could endure, or which could endure the wise man. Now if such a state as we have dreamed of cannot be found on Earth, it follows that leisure is necessary for everyone, because the one thing which might be preferred to leisure is nowhere to be found. If anyone says that to sail is the best of things, and then says that we ought not to sail in a sea in which shipwrecks were common occurrences, and where sudden storms often arise which drive the pilot back from his course, I should imagine that this man, while speaking in praise of sailing, was really forbidding me to unmoor my ship.
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Seneca, On Leisure 8, tr. Aubrey Stewart (1889)
https://whatwouldstoicsdo.com/passage/on-leisure/8
Seneca, Dialogues, tr. Aubrey Stewart (1887–1889). Text: Standard Ebooks (CC0). Sources and licences
In plain English
AI-written notesIf no existing state is worth a wise person's service, as Athens executed Socrates and Carthage is torn by faction, then stepping back from public life is the sensible choice. Praising sailing while forbidding every voyage in stormy seas is empty, so a person who values public service but finds every state corrupt should not be accused of idleness.
Older wording
- “faction”
- — a rival political gang or party
- “unmoor”
- — untie a ship and set sail
Themes and situations
- Solitude and retreat
- Community and our duty to others
- Duty and roles
- Justice and fairness
- A hard decision
- Burnout and overwork
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