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Cicero (on the Stoics) · 106–43 BCE

Tusculan Disputations 5 ¶28 — Cicero (on the Stoics)

From “Whether Virtue Alone Be Sufficient for a Happy Life”

Translation by C. D. Yonge (1853)

Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 5 ¶28

M. How these things agree together shall be examined somewhere else, for I frequently discussed that point with Antiochus, and lately with Aristo, when during the period of my command as general I was lodging with him at Athens. For to me it seemed that no one could possibly be happy under any evil, but a wise man might be afflicted with evil, if there are any things arising from body or fortune deserving the name of evils. These things were said, which Antiochus has inserted in his books in many places: that virtue itself was sufficient to make life happy, but yet not perfectly happy; and that many things derive their names from the predominant portion of them, though they do not include everything, as strength, health, riches, honor, and glory: which qualities are determined by their kind, not their number. Thus a happy life is so called from its being so in a great degree, even though it should fall short in some point. To clear this up is not absolutely necessary at present, though it seems to be said without any great consistency. For I cannot imagine what is wanting to one that is happy to make him happier, for if anything be wanting to him, he cannot be so much as happy. And as to what they say, that everything is named and estimated from its predominant portion, that may be admitted in some things. But when they allow three kinds of evils—when anyone is oppressed with every imaginable evil of two kinds, being afflicted with adverse fortune, and having at the same time his body worn out and harassed with all sorts of pains—shall we say that such a one is but little short of a happy life, to say nothing about the happiest possible life?
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Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 5 ¶28, tr. C. D. Yonge (1853)

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A scholastic dispute about whether a good person can be happy but less than perfectly happy, as Antiochus held, because some bodily or external things might count as evils. The speaker rejects that compromise: anyone who lacks something cannot properly be called happy, and a person crushed by misfortune and bodily pain can hardly be close to happiness.

Older wording

“predominant portion”
— the main or largest part
“adverse fortune”
— bad luck

Themes and situations

  • Virtue and character
  • Adversity and hardship
  • Learning and progress

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