Cicero (on the Stoics) · 106–43 BCE
Tusculan Disputations 5 ¶29 — Cicero (on the Stoics)
From “Whether Virtue Alone Be Sufficient for a Happy Life”
Translation by C. D. Yonge (1853)
Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 5 ¶29
This is the point which Theophrastus was unable to maintain, for after he had once laid down the position that stripes, torments, tortures, the ruin of one’s country, banishment, the loss of children, had great influence on men’s living miserably and unhappily, he durst not any longer use any high and lofty expressions when he was so low and abject in his opinion. How right he was is not the question; he certainly was consistent. Therefore, I am not for objecting to consequences where the premises are admitted. But this most elegant and learned of all the philosophers is not taken to task very severely when he asserts his three kinds of good, but he is attacked by everyone for that book which he wrote on a happy life, in which book he has many arguments why one who is tortured and racked cannot be happy. For in that book he is supposed to say that a man who is placed on the wheel (that is a kind of torture in use among the Greeks) cannot attain to a completely happy life. He nowhere, indeed, says so absolutely, but what he says amounts to the same thing. Can I, then, find fault with him, after having allowed that pains of the body are evils, that the ruin of a man’s fortunes is an evil, if he should say that every good man is not happy, when all those things which he reckons as evils may befall a good man? The same Theophrastus is found fault with by all the books and schools of the philosophers for commending that sentence in his Callisthenes, Fortune, not wisdom, rules the life of man.
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Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 5 ¶29, tr. C. D. Yonge (1853)
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In plain English
AI-written notesTheophrastus is presented as at least consistent: having admitted that torture, exile, ruin and the loss of children are real evils, he could not claim that a good person on the wheel is fully happy, which is why he is attacked for the line that chance, not wisdom, rules human life. The point is that you cannot call such things evils and then promise unshakable happiness.
Older wording
- “stripes”
- — lashes, floggings
- “durst”
- — dared
- “the wheel”
- — an ancient torture device
Themes and situations
- Virtue and character
- Adversity and hardship
- Acceptance and fate
- What is in our control
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