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Cicero (on the Stoics) · 106–43 BCE

Tusculan Disputations 5 ¶61 — Cicero (on the Stoics)

From “Whether Virtue Alone Be Sufficient for a Happy Life”

Translation by C. D. Yonge (1853)

Cicero (on the Stoics), Tusculan Disputations 5 ¶61

But with how little is this man himself satisfied! No one has said more on frugality. For when a man is far removed from those things which occasion a desire of money, from love, ambition, or other daily extravagance, why should he be fond of money, or concern himself at all about it? Could the Scythian Anacharsis disregard money, and shall not our philosophers be able to do so? We are informed of an epistle of his in these words: “Anacharsis to Hanno, greeting. My clothing is the same as that with which the Scythians cover themselves; the hardness of my feet supplies the want of shoes; the ground is my bed; hunger my sauce; my food milk, cheese, and flesh. So you may come to me as to a man in want of nothing. But as to those presents you take so much pleasure in, you may dispose of them to your own citizens, or to the immortal Gods.” And almost all philosophers, of all schools, excepting those who are warped from right reason by a vicious disposition, might have been of this same opinion. Socrates, when on one occasion he saw a great quantity of gold and silver carried in a procession, cried out, “How many things are there which I do not want!” Xenocrates, when some ambassadors from Alexander had brought him fifty talents (which was a very large sum of money in those times, especially at Athens), carried the ambassadors to sup in the Academy, and placed just a sufficiency before them, without any apparatus. When they asked him, the next day, to whom he wished the money which they had for him to be paid: “What?” said he, “did you not perceive by our slight repast of yesterday that I had no occasion for money?” But when he perceived that they were somewhat dejected, he accepted of thirty minas, that he might not seem to treat with disrespect the king’s generosity. But Diogenes took a greater liberty, like a Cynic, when Alexander asked him if he wanted anything: “Just at present,” said he, “I wish that you would stand a little out of the line between me and the sun,” for Alexander was hindering him from sunning himself. And, indeed, this very man used to maintain how much he surpassed the Persian king in his manner of life and fortune: for that he himself was in want of nothing, while the other never had enough, and that he had no inclination for those pleasures of which the other could never get enough to satisfy himself, and that the other could never obtain his.
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Philosophers have always shown that needing little makes you free: Anacharsis lived on plain food and sleeping on the ground, Socrates marvelled at how many things he did not want, and Diogenes asked a conqueror to stop blocking his sunlight. Someone who is not in the grip of love, ambition or luxury has no reason to chase money, and so can feel richer than a king who never has enough.

Older wording

“talents”
— large units of silver money
“minas”
— units of silver money, much smaller than a talent
“Cynic”
— a philosopher who rejects comforts and social convention

Themes and situations

  • Simplicity and frugality
  • Wealth and poverty
  • Desire and craving
  • Freedom
  • Virtue and character
  • Money, status and wanting more
  • Losing money
  • Envy and comparison

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