Epictetus · c. 50 – c. 135 CE
Discourses 4.8 ¶4 — Epictetus
From “Against Those Who Hastily Rush Into the Use of the Philosophic Dress”
Translation by George Long (1877)
Epictetus, Discourses 4.8 ¶4
So Socrates was not known to be a philosopher by most persons; and they used to come to him and ask to be introduced to philosophers. Was he vexed then as we are, and did he say, “And do you not think that I am a philosopher?” No, but he would take them and introduce them, being satisfied with one thing, with being a philosopher; and being pleased also with not being thought to be a philosopher, he was not annoyed: for he thought of his own occupation. What is the work of an honorable and good man? To have many pupils? By no means. They will look to this matter who are earnest about it. But was it his business to examine carefully difficult theorems? Others will look after these matters also. In what then was he, and who was he and whom did he wish to be? He was in that (employed in that) wherein there was hurt (damage) and advantage. If any man can damage me, he says, I am doing nothing: if I am waiting for another man to do me good, I am nothing. If I wish for anything, and it does not happen, I am unfortunate. To such a contest he invited every man, and I do not think that he would have declined the contest with anyone. What do you suppose? was it by proclaiming and saying, “I am such a man?” Far from it, but by being such a man. For further, this is the character of a fool and a boaster to say, “I am free from passions and disturbance: do not be ignorant, my friends, that while you are uneasy and disturbed about things of no value, I alone am free from all perturbation.” So is it not enough for you to feel no pain, unless you make this proclamation: “Come together all who are suffering gout, pains in the head, fever, ye who are lame, blind, and observe that I am sound (free) from every ailment.”—This is empty and disagreeable to hear, unless like Aesculapius you are able to show immediately by what kind of treatment they also shall be immediately free from disease, and unless you show your own health as an example.
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Epictetus, Discourses 4.8 ¶4, tr. George Long (1877)
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Epictetus, Discourses (as recorded by Arrian), tr. George Long (1877). Text: Standard Ebooks (CC0). Sources and licences
In plain English
AI-written notesSocrates was content to be a philosopher without being recognised as one, because his real work was making himself immune to harm and disappointment, which shows in being that kind of person and not in announcing it. Boasting about your own calm is empty, and only useful if you can actually help others and set an example.
Older wording
- “perturbation”
- — emotional turmoil
- “Aesculapius”
- — the Roman name for Asclepius, god of healing
Themes and situations
- Pride and humility
- Reputation and others' opinions
- Virtue and character
- Peace of mind
- Handling success
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